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4 pm Nov 20, 2012

What did the huge turnout at Bal Thackeray's funeral procession signify?

What did the huge turnout at Bal Thackeray's funeral procession signify? Was it the spontaneous outpour of Maharashtrian people's emotions or was it a product of astute Sena planning and organisation? Talk to Nikhil Wagle, Editor of IBN Lokmat, for the right perspective.
26 questions answered
  • The crowd thatwas visble for the funeral was spontaneous and not brougt by offering money. Balasaheb was the most misunderstood persons and was targeted bt pseudo secularists for their vote back. He was never against the Muslims and earlier the south Indians. He was basically targeting the criminal cartel led by the Muslims recently and South Indians earlier. He was more interested in to ensure that Mumbaikars lived in crime free enviorent. lets hope Raj and Udhav join hands and carry on the pilgimage of Balasaheb and keep the criminals at bay. What is your view on my comment? Asked by: ARUN
  • Nikhil Wagle i don't agree with u. Balasaheb was indeed a complex personality. He was the most popular leader in Maharashtra. But he targeted an enemy every time. When SS started to win marathi manoos he targeted south Indians, in 80s he attacked north Indians and after 84 he shifted to Muslims. His violent politics was always against the idea of India. He may be popular with his followers but a large section of society detested his politics. There is no question of him being misunderstood.
  • DID U AGREE THAT BALASAHEB SAVE MUMBAI IN 1992 RIOTS Asked by: RASIK
  • Nikhil Wagle No. Not at all. According to justice Shrikrishna Commission report he instigated riots.
  • Do you agree that Balasaheb's frank n fearless stand on Hinutava was much better than the Pseudo-secularism of Congress and other power hungry parties who indulge in the politics of vote bank? Asked by: Shyam Vadalker
  • Nikhil Wagle No I do not think so. Balasaheb was not at all traditional hindutvavadi like VHP, BJP or RSS. But I do not agree with his parochial politics.
  • Can 15 Lakhs of People mobilized ia single day? Are there trucks and lorries that mobilized these crowds to the funeral? Will Shivasena which is not in power now will spend sucha huge amount now for a funeral? Asked by: Raghava Rao Karavadi
  • Nikhil Wagle The crowd was spontaneous, but 15 lakh is an exaggerated figure. According to Mumbai Police estimate there were around 5-7 lakh people for the entire day.
  • During Next Election, is there a possibilty of Uddhav taking care of the orgnisation and Raj getting in to Electoral politics or vice-versa? Asked by: Prasanna
  • Nikhil Wagle Do you want to ask whether they will come together? It seems difficult but not impossible. They can have alliance.
  • According to you, who is better in terms of Charishma and leadership qualities- Uddhva or Raj? Asked by: Shyam Vadalker
  • Nikhil Wagle Of course Raj.
  • Raj should return to Shiv Sena to strengthen it so that BJP-Sena alliance can get maximum number number of Loksabha seats in 2014 which would keep away the most corrupt UPA from power. Your take please. Asked by: Shyam Vadalker
  • Nikhil Wagle I do not see Raj returning to Sena. But he can have alliance with SS-BJP.
  • Is there a [possibility of the estranged MNS leader RAJ mending fences and joining Udhav to get the Sena stronger ?? Asked by: sundar1950in
  • Nikhil Wagle Anything is possible and impossible in love, war and politics!
  • Since Balasaheb did not hold any public post his command on the party and faith on his leadership had increased. What was the reason of his not having aimed for poaitions of official power ?? Asked by: sundar1950in
  • Nikhil Wagle He was never comfortable with the idea, instead he preferred to become remote control.
  • Will Shiv Sena still have bollywood connections like before. ?? Asked by: sundar1950in
  • Nikhil Wagle let us wait and watch.
  • The Legacy of Balasaheb now on udhav's shoulder. will he be able to get the respect of other elders of the sena ?? Asked by: sundar1950in
  • Nikhil Wagle It will depend on how he handles the legacy
  • AAMCHI MUMBAI - - - While Balasaheb projected himself as one working for his state of maharashtra was more of a MUMBAIKAR. How far was his reach on the other parts,excluding Pune? Asked by: sundar1950in
  • Nikhil Wagle From 1966 to 1985 SS was limited to Mumbai, Thane and Nasik. But after 85 they filled up the opposition space and spread their wings in various parts of Maharashtra.
  • Why did Such popular and loved leader who wanted to rule with firm hand, failed and lost much of his popularity, when SS and BJP got into power in the state? Asked by: Subeer
  • Nikhil Wagle Because he did not have long term programs and solutions. This is the tragedy of emotional politics.
  • looking at the crowd, it was definitely the people's emotions. I am an outsider living for some years in Mumbai and this is my perception that people felt like as they had some protective hand over their head to take care. this usually you dont see at other places. Am I right or wrong? Asked by: pc
  • Nikhil Wagle You are somewhat right. He connected well with his supporters. But we have regional leaders like Laloo, Jaya, Mamata, Karunanidhi who are as much popular.
  • DO you think that actually Shivsena is lifer saver for mumbai. Without them mumbai will be looted by so called secular people & underworld Asked by: Mallesh Vanga
  • Nikhil Wagle I do not agree. SS was successful in creating perception that they are protectors of Marathi Manoos and Mumbai. But what they actually did is underlined by the deterioration of the city.
  • how has balasaheb & shiv sena idealogy changed since the last few decades. It started as a party for maharastrians, but is now trying to woo others as well. Do you think it is different from anyother party in Maharastra now?? Asked by: amit
  • Nikhil Wagle That is the specialty of SS and BT. They started with Marathi Asmita and traveled to Hindutva via practical socialism. Thackeray's politics was always spontaneous. After tasting power congressisation of SS also took place.
  • With this much huge following whay balasaheb failed to take advantage both at regional & national level. Plus whether raj & uddhav will join hands for better future of maharashtra & themselves also. Asked by: Mallesh Vanga
  • Nikhil Wagle Balasaheb failed because his politics was based on hate and violence. There was no definite developmental agenda. We will have to wait and watch whether Raj and Uddhav come together.
  • MUMBAIKAR FILL SAFE DUE TO NETWORK OF SHAKHAS.WHICH OTHER PARTY HAS A THIS?? Asked by: RASIK
  • Nikhil Wagle Shakhas are SS' strength but I do not agree that all Mumbaikars feel safe about them!
  • Any change of NCP making aliiance with NMS or SS in 2014? Asked by: Subeer
  • Nikhil Wagle There is always a possibility.
  • Balasaheb's contibution to maha Manoos is going to be a one which may not be sustained by the party Shiv Sena he leaves behind ?? Asked by: sundar1950in
  • Nikhil Wagle Wait and watch
  • In a city like Mumbai ,a cosmopolitan one,Balasaheb had established that Maharashtrian first. Acknowledging his contribution to this the turnout on the strrets had happened. do you think otherwise ?? Asked by: sundar1950in
  • Nikhil Wagle You are right. Marathi society connected with him.
  • Does it not mean that the people of Maharashtra, Mumbaikar in particular, endorse the rock-like stand/views of Balasaheb on Hindutva? Asked by: Shyam Vadalker
  • Does it show the sway the Sena has in the city. Is this due to Sena's Org structure (shaka pramukhs etc) and its loyal cardre? Does this turn augur well for MNS in the future? Asked by: Narayanan
  • Nikhil Wagle It shows the influence of SS. Not just MNS, politics after Balasaheb will be very interesting.
  • I find Bal Thackeray as a man who always spoke on Communcal lines. Does the huge turnout signifies that the Maharashtrian people are also moving in the same line as him? Then dont you think it is a great danger to the society? Asked by: Anand
  • Nikhil Wagle Those who gathered at the funeral was not entire Maharashtra. It was a section.
  • PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY LIKED HIM FOR HIS OUTSPOKEN NESS. ONE MAY NOT SUBSCRIBE TO THE IDEOLOGY HE PROFESSED, YET PEOPLE LIKED HIM BECAUSE HE COULD SPEAK HIS MIND OUT WITHOUT CARING FOR OTHERS. HE STRIKED A CHORD WITH MANY PEOPLE ACROSS SECTIONS WHO MAY NOT HAVE MET HIM.....IT WAS THIS CHORD WHICH MADE MANY COME FOR THE FUNERAL. Asked by: S ESHWAR
  • Nikhil Wagle I agree.
  • TN has lost emotions for Tamil Ilam, Bengal is also more open now. With Balasaheb, is it the end of Linguistic politics? Asked by: Subeer
  • Nikhil Wagle Not at all. There are many more regional like him.