Army is in a much better state today: General VK Singh

New Delhi: Army Chief General VK Singh has said that the Indian Army is in a much better state now than when he took over as Chief of Army Staff (COAS) 21 months back. He said that the army is much more transparent, confident now and has addressed issued which were never discussed before.

Speaking exclusively to CNN-IBN's Anubha Bhonsle, he said that he decided to withdraw his petition on the age row when he realised that he was up against the entire system.

Here is the transcript of the full interview:

Gen Singh said that the Army had emerged unscathed from the recent controversies and that its morale had not been affected.

Anubha Bhosle: Let me begin by asking you, one would say that you are leaving amidst controversy in a sense. The sense of motion that you have passed against Lt Gen Balbir Singh Suhag, was it completely necessary? I am just saying perhaps giving out of perception that there is some amount of witch-hunt that is being engaged against some of the senior officers currently.

VK Singh: I don’t think there is a sense of motion that has been passed. There are certain things that have happened for which a show cause notice has been given. I don’t know why there is so much of brouhaha about it? There is no witch-hunt, there is no vendetta. Somebody has been asked to explain certain things, so why is everybody crying hoarse about it? And why should a simple showcause notice from a senior officer to a junior officer find its way into the media and start getting discussed? I find it quite funny, I find it odd and I find it morally unacceptable.

Anubha Bhosle: So you are saying that the officer concerned in a sense is engaged in an act that is morally flawed?

VK Singh: Absolutely.

Anubha Bhosle: So Lt Gen Balbir Singh Suhag in that sense is engaged in an act that is incorrect?

VK Singh: Absolutely, and I don’t think anybody who is in his right senses will say anything like this.

Anubha Bhosle: Which brings me to the question, have you kept Bikram Singh, who is the Army Chief in designate, in the loop about this?

VK Singh: The court of inquiry has come from eastern commands, so where is the problem? See, the problem is that people unnecessarily start reading too much.

Anubha Bhosle: But a large amount of that investigation that would be done would be under his tenure.

VK Singh: That’s perfectly fine, investigations have been done. Incident which was called by a senior IB officer as a plot on the name of the Army was serious enough, otherwise no IB officer is going to say that. Somebody has come out of the jurisdiction of a court area, gone into another area, civilians have been tied up, his house has been raided over contractor, things have been lifted from his house, I am quite shocked. In the Army, when somebody says please ensure quick action, quick action should have been done. You don’t take four months to then submit a court of enquiry which comes to me at the end of April. And when it comes to you in the end of April, when are you going to take a decision?

Anubha Bhosle: But you know sir one the reasons we are asking you this question is that there many believe that you are opposed to the Bikram Singh and Gen Balbir Singh Suhag line of succession and all these are efforts in that line of direction.

VK Singh: There is no succession in the Army. Whosoever is there, Bikram is in line, he has been designated as the next chief, where is the doubt? Why are we reading beyond that? So many things happen beyond that. I think we are playing an issue for no rhyme or reason. This never used to happen earlier.

Anubha Bhosle: Pardon, allow me to interrupt, but here on this particular interview you have in a sense called one of the decisions of Lt Gen Suhag as morally incorruptible or something that is indefensible. So, surely if he is in the line of succession this is a big taint.

VK Singh: That is for you to judge. I am laying it out to you and through you to the rest of the people of the country. It is a personal communication from me to that officer, why did it find its way in the media. Do you start showing these like a cry baby, hey I have got a showcause notice.

Anubha Bhosle: Are you saying he has behaved like one?

VK Singh: I don’t know you judge. I am not a judge. You all judge because you are the people who are making noise about it. I am just talking like a simple Army man who has done things as per the Army’s ethos, Army’s requirement, that’s it. First you reply to the thing, see what happens. Before you start crying like a hoarse– oh I have got a showcause notice.

Anubha Bhosle: There are already reports that the Ministry of Defence has asked for details, what if the government was to overturn this decision?

VK Singh: That’s the government’s decision, it’s not my decision. People will hold the government responsible for it. If there is something wrong, then there is something wrong, what is there in it for to be overturned or not to be overturned? We are going as per requirements, that is it. I have got no prestige attached to it.

Anubha Bhosle: You have not done it in the sense of vendetta and I use that word with equal caution?

VK Singh: None, none. It has been done, if I can say so, to help that officer if he had the moral courage he would have replied to it before he went to media.

Anubha Bhosle: Do you believe sir that you are leaving the armed force in a better state than you inherited or in worse state than you inherited?

VK Singh: I think I am leaving it in a much better state despite what the media would like to say.

Anubha Bhosle: The media is not saying anything, this is a fair question.

VK Singh: No, there are a lot of people who say you know that it is a divided house, there is faction. I think it is all imaginations running wild. I am confident that my Army, our Army, our nation’s Army is in a much better shape.

Anubha Bhosle: Than it was 21 months back when you took over?

VK Singh: Absolutely.

Anubha Bhosle: In what way?

VK Singh: In all ways. It is much more transparent. There is a sense of confidence, we have achieved great amount of things that we set out to achieve. We have addressed issues which we had never addressed earlier and I think today the rank and file feels confident. And having said that, in a 1.3 million strong Army there will always be dissenting voices like any other organisation. I cannot stop anybody from saying anything that they want to but the majority will go by my feelings.

Anubha Bhosle: That’s a big statement to make Gen VK Singh, I want to turn your attention to another General who is locked in a legal battle with you. Word is that Lt Gen (retd) Tejinder Singh wants to approach the Supreme Court with a CD he believes contains some amount of conversation in which you have partied, in which you perhaps order the interception of the VVIP conversation.

VK Singh: Anubha it is like this, Gen Tejinder Singh has been putting out false stories, all innuendos and now we hear that he is trying to put out a CD. And I think it was there in one of the channels yesterday where they said how this CD has been recorded in conversation with another General? If that is a proof to make your story look real, then god help us. I don’t have to say anything. Here is a man with a great devious mind, he can concoct what he wants to but that will never be true.

Anubha Bhosle: Gen you said he offered you a bribe, then question is why didn’t you take action against him?

VK Singh: What was the action required? The defence service regulations, brackets, the regulations for the Army says you must report to your senior officer. In this case my honourable Raksha Mantri was informed, he acknowledges it and I told him that this particular deal will not go through, I had his blessings and the deal has not gone through.

Anubha Bhosle: On the floor of the House he also said that while he acknowledged that you did bring this to his notice, he also asked you to take action which you refused.

VK Singh: See that is, nobody refuses somebody who is senior to me. Let’s leave it at that and if somebody had told me to take action, please be assured the action would have been taken.

Anubha Bhosle: Allow me to press that further, are you saying he didn’t asked you to take action?

VK Singh: I told you what the conversation was, the conversation was concerning files which I said won’t be through, he gave me his blessing and these are never going through, better ending. So, he asked me to take action so I have taken action.

Anubha Bhosle: You have only taken action against the procedure and the content but you haven’t taken the action against the officer.

VK Singh: That action was just like what has happened now within the purview of the Ministry of Defence. I was a witness; I couldn’t have been a complainant. The problem is if you start taking out everything and saying oh this has not happened then there are a lot of things. There are no easy answers to everything I am quite sure.

Anubha Bhosle: Sure. But one gets the sense that it was then incumbent you believed on Raksha Mantri to take action against an officer you have report against.

VK Singh: Yes.

Anubha Bhosle: I know Lt Gen Tajinder Singh retired and that was the argument that was being thrown that he retired shortly after that allegation came to light. But I do know that you have taken strong action against one of the other officers who has retired, this one related to the Sukna investigation Lt Gen Avdesh Prakash.

VK Singh: I haven’t taken any action. The Sukna issue came to the fore, the officer was indicted, there was a general court martial that took place, the court took a decision. We have respected that decision for whatever it is and that is it.

Anubha Bhosle: Are you disappointed that the Raksha Mantri didn’t take action against an officer who allegedly tried to bribe the Army Chief of a country?

VK Singh: I think he has taken action, he said so on the floor of the House. He has ordered the CBI investigations which are on there way, could have been done earlier, I don’t know. But I have faith in my Raksha Mantri, I know that he is a very honourable and a good man. And whatever he has done, has been done with a great amount of maturity and sagacity.

Anubha Bhosle: Gen VK Singh there has been a whole hosts of controversies and primarily that’s one of the reason we have been pestering you for an interview because a lot of things need to come on record. A lot of the controversies people believe is related to the age row, that once you lost the age battle, pardon me for the use of this word, you were vindictive.

VK Singh: Ok, I’ll put it this way, I think this is more a manufactured media view than anything else.

Anubha Bhosle: Why do you say so?

VK Singh: When did the age issue come up? It came up sometime in January-February 2011. If I was so concerned it should have come up in 2010 when I took over, it didn’t. It came up due to a RTI that was filed.

Anubha Bhosle: Sure.

VK Singh: Some of these people have been traced or linked to the person who has been court marshalled in Sukna scam. These RTIs and age issue was raked up as a defence for this particular gentleman to say that there was an age issue, I did not solve and therefore he’s vindictive.

Anubha Bhosle: Why are you shying away from taking names?

VK Singh: Everybody knows the names.

Anubha Bhosle: You are talking about Lt Gen Avdesh Prakash?

VK Singh: Mr Avdesh Prakash as of today. He has lost his rank, he has been dismissed from service. And this is how the whole thing started and even when it came up, let me put it on record, numerous times I have told my Raksha Mantri that if you want me to go today, I’ll go today. The chief’s chair has never been something that I have been running after. My sole ambition in life was to command my battalion after that everything has been a bonus, everything. So, this saying you know age, he wants to extend his tenure after… in fact all that has been done is to put things in a manner in which they should have proceeded as per service norms. Nothing has been done beyond that.

Anubha Bhosle: Since we are talking about the age row, sir, the Defence Minister said this and this is well know, you took last three appointments that of the Core Commander, the Army Commander and the Army Chief on a date of birth that was 1950. You have given two written assurances, the question to you is very straight, why the drag the government of India to court?

VK Singh: Ok, this is another misnomer that has been created Anubha. You have been related to the Army and let me educate you, no promotion is dependent on age or date of birth.

Anubha Bhosle: Sure.

VK Singh: We don’t go by that. We go as per the seniority, we go as per the selection board results. And all of those who don’t know, all of my promotion boards have been done with a particular date of birth which is what I have been claiming. So where is the doubt? The doubt was created by some people looking only at a particular thing and saying that we will take only this particular thing.

Anubha Bhosle: No, in a sense you are saying that you would have reached this position even if your date of birth was 1951, but your tenure would have been different. Fair?

VK Singh: Tenure has got no meaning. What I am saying is every time and there were no assurances. I was asked you will accept this.

Anubha Bhosle: Then why not accept it right till the end?

VK Singh: Didn’t I accept it?

Anubha Bhosle: In the end you accepted it.

VK Singh: No, I accepted it otherwise I would have started raking up the issue in 2010. I didn’t rake up the issue. The issue was raked up, like I said earlier, by interested parties who wanted to make this an issue. And once it came to the fore all that I told my Raksha Mantri was these are the facts, this is what the actual thing is, all over this country of ours matriculation certificate is the authority which is what in my records, with the record keeping branch in the Army. I just want you to please accept this and that’s all. I am not looking for tenure.

Anubha Bhosle: Are you then once again disappointed by the way the Raksha Mantri acted?

VK Singh: No, I am not disappointed with anything. He has gone on the advice he got by whichever people who advised him. I have just seen how things have been happening. That is all.

Anubha Bhosle: But the sense of disappointment?

VK Singh: No, there is no disappointment. There is no disappointment at all because like I said everything beyond the Colonel’s rank has been a bonus. You only get disappointed if your ambition has over-ridden you that this is the only thing that you wanted. So, I have got no disappointments, I have got no regrets, I am a happy man.

Anubha Bhosle: Okay, on that note then let me ask you if you did go to the Supreme Court why withdraw your petition?

VK Singh: The way things were looking in Supreme Court, one could have done many other things. Supreme Court gave no decision, they tried to arbitrate, right. And I realised when you are fighting a system then there are lot of things would not go the way they should and therefore there was no point in pursuing things further. In any case it gave a relief saying a part of this is set aside, right. And rest your honour, integrity etc has been catered for and therefore would you like to withdraw? I said just fine.

Anubha Bhosle: And in what point of time did you believe that wasn’t going to serve the purpose?

VK Singh: No, when my lawyer gave me a call and said these are things we were fighting for and it was always honour, integrity and setting aside of a particular thing, I said if that has been achieved then I don’t want anything else.

Anubha Bhosle: Allow me to press that further Gen Singh at the end of the day you went to the court asking the court to fix your date of birth.

VK Singh: Absolutely.

Anubha Bhosle: Right? The court did not do that, the court did not fix your date of birth. Your counsel then appealed that your date of birth be considered as of 1951 for administrative purposes, the court did not even do that.

VK Singh: No, not for the administrative purposes. The court said we do not want to go into the merits of what the date is, we will take whatever is the government’s view of your thing, it will be taken as it is. So far you are concerned we are not interfering with the date that you have.

Anubha Bhosle: Isn’t that a setback Gen Vk Singh? How is that not a setback?

VK Singh: That is what I said, there is no judgement, it was arbitration. It is the Supreme Court of India, very learned judges, they decided it and that is the end of it. I don’t want to go on the why and how of it because no great purpose is served. We can take lot of legal people who will find a lot of wrong or right things in it. I decided enough is enough, if the great judges have decided this let’s respect what they have said.

Anubha Bhosle: Did you think of stepping down after that?

VK Singh: See, a lot of people have asked me this before and I think earlier also I have said this, age issue was not the axis around which I was revolving.

Anubha Bhosle: It seemed to be but it wasn’t you are saying.

VK Singh: It wasn’t. It was made out by the media that it was the only thing I was fighting for. I was interested in what the Army was doing. Age issue was on one side. So how does it become such a big prestige issue that oh that has not happened and like a cry baby I now I am going.

Anubha Bhosle: One only say that is because the perception is that in that 21 month tenure that you had you have been consumed by one singular passion and that really has been the age row.

VK Singh: That is again a perception. I think I devoted least possible time to this personal issue of mine than to all other things in the Army. It never came in the way of what I was doing, it never came in the way of what I was working on, it never came in the way of how I handled things which were required for the Army.

Anubha Bhosle: There were many in the ex-servicemen who were in support with you when the age row was happening. Once the Supreme Court came out with its verdict they thought it was morally incumbent on you to step down, you had in a lost the battle.

VK Singh: They were consumed by the perception thrown around by the media, nothing else. I think they never understood what the issue was.

Anubha Bhosle: After all you were the chief, it was the chief’s chair, it was your office that was in the court.

VK Singh: I took VK Singh to the court and not the Chief of the Army before the court, there is a difference.

Anubha Bhosle: You have always maintained that it is a matter of honour and it is matter of personal prestige and personal pride, who do you believe muddled up all of this?

VK Singh: There is no game saying, the very fact that I told you earlier that all the promotion boards carried a particular date, all records carried a particular date till a particular time and after that all of suddenly you find things have been put in a different manner, there are a lot people that one can put finger on. I don’t think it is the time to put finger on anybody, a lot things have been coming up in the press, a lot of things have been coming in various magazines, I don’t want to go into all this.

Anubha Bhosle: You don’t believe you have been wrongly advised in any point of time?

VK Singh: No, I have not been wrongly advised because I took no advise from anybody.

Anubha Bhosle: It was all completely…

VK Singh: It was my decision and that is it despite what people would like to say.

Anubha Bhosle: Out of all the controversies that have erupted from the Army headquarters, I am not saying they are coming from your side, I think one man who has taken the brunt politically at least has been the Defence Minister, has been AK Antony. There is a perception that the way the Defence Ministry function is not pragmatic enough, it’s slow, it keeps decisions in a bind, it don’t act quickly enough. You have given us one or two example where you perhaps expected the Defence Minister to act but he didn’t act.

VK Singh: No, I have not said that, what I have said is that he has his own method of working and whatever decisions that he gives are very well thought out, they are sagacious and mature, very politically correct let me assure you this and I have great faith in the way he handles things. Now, something has not happened so let’s not ascribe to him after all he also goes by the advice of some people.

Anubha Bhosle: Are you saying he’s been wrongly advised?

VK Singh: I don’t know, I don’t know what kind of advise is given to him. I can’t comment to it. I can comment on what I do. If I tell him something I can tell you. I don’t know who else tells him anything else.

Anubha Bhosle: You don’t believe these controversies have caused any strain between your relationship or the Defence Ministry relationship?

VK Singh: None at all.

Anubha Bhosle: None at all?

VK Singh: None at all between me and the Raksha Mantri. I admire him, I admire his honesty, I admire his sagacity and I admire the way he has stood by the Army. And I am talking of the Army, I am not talking of the cases, I am talking of the Army. If you have told him something and if he has seen a reason in it, he has helped us.

Anubha Bhosle: Many in the Opposition believe and many in the outside believe that perhaps this honesty that leads to a lot of trouble because nothing really moves on the shear taint of an allegation everything stops.

VK Singh: All honesty leads to trouble. So let’s not talk about it.

Anubha Bhosle: But on a shear taint of an allegation he will not move a file.

VK Singh: I cannot comment on this.

Anubha Bhosle: You have been the chief…

VK Singh: I cannot comment on this. See again you are talking Opposition say this so and so say this, everybody have its own perception, everybody is entitled to a perception. I have told you what my perception of my Raksha Mantri is.

Anubha Bhosle: Who do you think was behind the leak of your confidential letter to the Prime Minister?

VK Singh: That people have to find that out.

Anubha Bhosle: They applied motifs to your office.

VK Singh: See either people are naïve or they are stupid. There is nothing beyond that. They misunderstand how the Army functions. These letters are not typed in the Army Chief’s office, it is typed in a particular branch which initiates these letters. And it is handled by an officer, he stands on your head when you sign that and he takes that file back and locks it up where he is supposed to lock it up. How can this letter be leaked from the Army? It is a, if I can say, it is a smoke screen which has been created by the people who may have leaked it. And why should a person who is writing a letter like this will leak it?

Anubha Bhosle: Who are these people Gen VK Singh who are involved in these controversies against you?

VK Singh: I don’t know you all are supposed to find out.

Anubha Bhosle: But in your perception who are all these people?

VK Singh: I haven’t had the time or the inclination or the energy to try and find out and put my nose into something which I think is worthless.

Anubha Bhosle: Ok. I have three quick questions on the BEML-TATRA deal, you mentioned that this particular deal was in a sense at the very bases when Lt Gen Tajinder Singh came to you. What did he say to you?

VK Singh: I think this already on record, he said if you clear this deal this is the type of money you’ll get.

Anubha Bhosle: Lt Gen Tajinder Singh was obviously standing for someone?

VK Singh: Must have been. Otherwise he shouldn’t have said this.

Anubha Bhosle: Was he standing for BEML or was he standing for a private company?

VK Singh: Like I told I feel there is no requirement for me to waste my time on something which is useless. One should concentrate in the short time that you have doing something which is positive. He came, he said a particular thing, I told him to move out. I went and informed my Raksha Mantri and ensured thereafter that particular requirement of vehicles does not go through, better end it.

Anubha Bhosle: So, you wanted the TATRA vehicle not to go through purely on the bases allegations or also more?

VK Singh: See even earlier we had started multi-vendor trial for induction of better quality, superior technology vehicle into the Army. Those trials have been going on from 2010 onwards

Anubha Bhosle: Right.

VK Singh: This requirement was for making up the so called deficiency, certain figures were put out and then when we got them checked and rechecked and rechecked, we found actually there was no deficiency. So the whole issue was given to the CBI and they are investigating it and I am sure they will come to some worthwhile conclusion.

Anubha Bhosle: So Chiefs who were predecessors to you were buying these vehicles when they were not needed?

VK Singh: I don’t know.

Anubha Bhosle: You said you did a study and found out that there was no requirement of these vehicle at that time.

VK Singh: For that particular time. I don’t know anything what has been happening before. There are seven thousand trucks in the Army, what has gone by it is very difficult for me as an individual to go into it that is why I think they have very rightly given it to the CBI and let them go through it.

Anubha Bhosle: Just coming back to the confidential letter that was leaked that you wrote to the Prime Minister. There were very valid issues that you brought up.

VK Singh: All chiefs write on only valid issues they don’t write on frivolous issues.

Anubha Bhosle: Absolutely if you are writing to the Prime Minister one would assume that. Have things moved forward post that letter coming to the public domain?

VK Singh: Not only post that letter even earlier. It is not that I wrote at only that time. These are periodic updates for our senior hierarchy to know how the things are in the forces, all chiefs do it.

Anubha Bhosle: And all chiefs have done it in the past?

VK Singh: All chiefs have done it. So there is nothing new in it.

Anubha Bhosle: The fact that it got leaked perhaps brought it to the public domain?

VK Singh: That is what it is otherwise I have written a much-more detailed letter than this to my Raksha Mantri and when that happens we take stock of situations, certain instructions are passed. It is the bounding duty of any chief to apprise the hierarchy that look here. These are the issues so that when the budgetary allocations are made, when you are looking at us please keep this in mind.

Anubha Bhosle: Final section sir, few days left to your retirement, what are your future plans?

VK Singh: Not thought of anything so far. It’s a busy schedule. I think I am lucky I am here in Delhi today. Most of the days I have been travelling on Sundays, Saturdays and others. So many things have to be done. I think the final decision will come only after 1st of June.

Anubha Bhosle: Team Anna has made an offer to you.

VK Singh: Lot of teams will keep making offers, it doesn’t mean anything at all.

Anubha Bhosle: Is that an offer you have considered?

VK Singh: I have not considered anything at all. And this offer has been made to the media that is how I know about it.

Anubha Bhosle: Would you like them to make it personally?

VK Singh: I don’t know, so it what I keep hearing from the media, I don’t even know what is the offer, who is making the offer, what is happening. I think it is the time for me to look at all the things that had to be pushed in the Army. That is what consuming time, there is no space to work on things after 31st. I think that will only happen from June 1.

Anubha Bhosle: You know I only asked that because you have been on various forums where the government has been criticised openly. You have taken part in a function that was related to former prime minister. A group of member of Parliament took your petition to the Prime Minister on age row. Many would say in a sense this is setting a stage for a political future.

VK Singh: I don’t know, I feel sad if somebody comes to a conclusion that if you go and unveil the statue of a former prime minister or it means any political ambitions, it means anything…

Anubha Bhosle: What’s wrong with that even if there were?

VK Singh: I am just saying if somebody thinks it that way. Tomorrow if I go and visit the memorial for our very known, courageous prime minister Shri Lal Bahadur Shashtri, does that mean I am doing something there. I think these are some great pans of imaginations which some journalists get. Some get it to put that good journalistic ability on to the paper, some contrive it to negative things on the person concerned on whom they want to write.

Anubha Bhosle: You have been a victim of that as well on front page?

VK Singh: So I don’t want to comment on that. The function was meant for an ex-serviceman, it is an area from where a large recruitment comes to the Army and let me tell I am the first chief who has gone to that area. And the reason was very simple, here are areas where nobody goes, if I go to that area then I am quite sure that the Army Commander in that area will also think of going there and there is a better interaction that we are trying to get from our ex-servicemen. And it so happened that they said there is a school, can you also address the children? Then they said we have got a statue can you unveil it? I said fine.

Anubha Bhosle: What about being on platforms where the government is criticised so openly?

VK Singh: Which platform are you talking of?

Anubha Bhosle: The platform which you shared with RK Anand.

VK Singh: It was not an anti-government platform. It was a book that was written by him was released.

Anubha Bhosle: Chiefs before you haven’t done this. Are you saying you are different kind of chief? VK Singh: I am quite sure if RK Anand had written this book four-five years back, he would have invited the Army chief.

Anubha Bhosle: You know what I am saying?

VK Singh: I really don’t know. I can only say that it was incumbent on me as part of courtesy, a person is inviting you five times over, that I said okay you have written a book on military, I didn’t even knew what he has written. It was only yesterday when they narrated certain things I came to know what they have written and that’s is what I said out there. So I don’t know if that was an anti-government platform. Today, everything looks anti-government. I don’t know.

Anubha Bhosle: Have you considered platforms like some of the civil society that are fighting the government on graft and corruption.

VK Singh: I told you I don’t even have time to think of it and that is probably why I go to such function and it is okay. To me it doesn’t mean anything at all.

Anubha Bhosle: Okay, the last two questions. Are you leaving things for the next chief in a bit of disarray?

VK Singh: I don’t think so. For the last three months we have tried to put a system in place where he can be briefed properly. It didn’t happen when I came into the chair. And very systematically things have been done, I am quite sure he will not find things in disarray.

Anubha Bhosle: What will your advise to him be?

VK Singh: My advise is just carry on for the good of the Army, nothing else. Nothing else matters. That’s all.

Anubha Bhosle: And from your personal experience would you have an advise for him?

VK Singh: My advise is just carry on for the good of the Army, nothing else. Nothing else matters. That’s all.

Anubha Bhosle: And from your personal experience would you have an advise for him?

VK Singh: See at this age in service everybody is intelligent and wise enough. Whatever things are there which I feel needs to be pushed whenever I met I have told him.

Anubha Bhosle: You have taken all questions sir and I must thank you for that.

VK Singh: Thank you.

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